No foreign legion on the eastern front ...

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No foreign legion on the eastern front ...

Postby Mik » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:12 am

Hi everyone,

Playing ATD2, I'm sorry to have to report a little mistake concerning the 638 Infantry Regiment (attached to the 7th Infantry Div).
It couldn't be part of th e offensive on Smolensk at that time besause the first 2 battalions reached the front in November only. They were then decimated on the first week of December.

I'm not an OOB specialist, it's just that this very particular regiment is in fact the infamous 'légion des volontaires français' a french collaborationist unit set up on political ground, the same day USSR was invaded. The main idea is for some fascist politicians to gain power by raising a legion of volunteers to fight the bolshevism.

And in no way it is to be considered as a 'Légion Etrangère' (foreign legion) unit which is part of the regular army.
In the game, the unit is refered as 638 (LE) Infantry Regiment, and wear the flame of the LE.
Correct name could be 638 (LVF) Infantry Regiment. And please remove this flame... In fact you should remove the unit.

I ask for an extra urgent emergency patch otherwise I have no options left but not to play this unit, or worse if my conditions are not met I swear I'll send them as a suicide unit. This is no joke. The fate of these pixels is in SSG hands !

Stop kidding, thanks for this very good new scenario, I never played the first one and missed it !

more infos :

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=7274

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9gion_des_volontaires_fran%C3%A7ais_contre_le_bolchevisme (in french)
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Postby Abwehr » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:49 pm

You're right. I'll check the OOB again for my variant.

In all honesty, I had not noticed the unit before, as I've only been playing as the Soviets and only gave the German OOB a few glances.
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Postby troutie » Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:30 pm

I guess that French infantry regiment owes its presence to German propaganda. All the OBs I consulted showed it there, without commenting on the number of battalions.
Those francophiles who find its presence insulting are, of course, at liberty to refrain from fighting with it, or even go into the database and delete it altogether.
Or, like me, you can choose to use every unit you can to beat those rascally Russians.
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Postby Abwehr » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:07 pm

You don't have to be a "francophile" to not use a unit that shouldn't be there in the first place. The same goes for the Marders. I wonder how some of those units snuck into the OOB, especially units that are a whole year too early.
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Postby Strax » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Hmm. Not fair on the 'Rascally Ruski's' either who have to fight against these treacherous French.
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Postby Noakesy » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:21 pm

Strax wrote:Hmm. Not fair on the 'Rascally Ruski's' either who have to fight against these treacherous French.


Not sure about the 1940s, but in later years (e.g. Dien Bein Phu in 1954 I think), I believe the Foreign Legion were frequently not even French :wink: :D
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Postby Strax » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:49 pm

Do you mean like the Ghurka's not being British?
Surely the Foreign Legion weren't fighting against French interests?
This is interesting please explain more.
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Postby Abwehr » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:10 pm

What he might've meant was that the "real" Foreign Legion, being the "Foreign" Legion, would be mostly manned by foreigners.

As to fighting against French interests: the Foreign Legion fought against itself during battles in Syria, with Vichy forces fighting Free French forces and units fought for both the Allies and Vichy until the campaign in North Africa was finished.
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Postby Noakesy » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:06 pm

Strax wrote:Do you mean like the Ghurka's not being British?
Surely the Foreign Legion weren't fighting against French interests?
This is interesting please explain more.


I read an excellent book about Dien Bien Phu, which commented on the bravery of the Foriegn Legion, and the fact that as their final outposts fell they were largely speaking German (in the 1950s there were probably lots of ex Wehrmacht and SS 'members' seeking to disappear, as well as those that actually quite enjoyed fighting I guess!)
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Postby Strax » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:09 pm

Abwehr wrote:What he might've meant was that the "real" Foreign Legion, being the "Foreign" Legion, would be mostly manned by foreigners.

As to fighting against French interests: the Foreign Legion fought against itself during battles in Syria, with Vichy forces fighting Free French forces and units fought for both the Allies and Vichy until the campaign in North Africa was finished.


It fought against itself?
Wow.
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